(please note: this is probably one of the most vulnerable pieces I've ever published. It's a work in progress and I don't feel like it's fully done, but after working on it for six months, I wanted to put it out there to the community- especially at a time when many folks are struggling. please take care as you read it, and please keep in mind that, while I am open to feedback, I would appreciate it if folks could temper critique with kindness)


suicidal ideation 2.0, queer community leadership, and staying alive anyway.

by Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha


for my beloved dead, and for Kyle and Wendy, and for all of us still here.

trigger warning for discussion of suicide and self harm

I've come to hate it when folks start texting me with cryptic messages saying, "Did you know so-and-so?"

For the past two years, each summer, my beloved community in Toronto has lost someone because they killed themself. This year, it was Kyle Scanlon.

And no, I didn't really know him- not well- but I knew of him. Kyle was one of the first transguys I knew who came out within Toronto's queer community in the late 90s. After he passed, many, many trans folks I know remembered how Kyle had come to their workplace or school and told his story, how he was the first other trans person they'd met. How his story and presence helped them name themself as trans and do what they needed to do to affirm the gender spirit that made them feel alive. Kyle was one of the first workers at Meal Trans, the 519 s ( Toronto's queer community center) free dinner program for broke trans folks. He won awards and did trainings. He was one of those queer/trans community-bred and based leaders that everybody thanks, leans on, asks for favors, and is grateful for.

And he killed himself.

After he died, there were the blog posts saying we had to love each other harder and do better. There were the memorial posts that listed all the Distress Centre hotlines for the province. There were the postings of his various memorial articles in the queer biweekly paper on facebook, and everyone's memories. It's what we do. And it so wasn't enough

Moments like this are grief and crash and immense loss. And they're also - maybe- an invitation to go deeper. To be real about suicide. I mean really really for real for real- about shit that people don't want to go there about, or want to boil down into a simple narrative of don't do it you have something to live for! call 911! Even the narratives we have that suicide is the colonizer, is the white supremacist capitalist colonialist ableist patriarchy whispering that we should just take our selves off the planet, that narrative has stopped me from reaching for my Ativan and bourbon or cutting when I didn't want to. But it's also not enough.

I was in Toronto the week after Kyle died, with my family. Everyone was hurting . Some of us at Femme Heartshare Circle were talking about it. About how Wendy Babcock, an amazing street sex worker activist, mama and law student, had died of an overdose last year, and how folks weren't sure if it was intentional or not- and how Wendy's family had used Wendy's history of struggle to discredit her courage in breaking silence to about the abuse she'd survived from them.

One of my friends said, what should we do? Should we have regular red flag check ins with each other, the way we do about relationships? Should I go up to you and ask, Have you been thinking about killing yourself lately? And I thought, if anyone came at me saying, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT KILLING YOURSELF LATELY?, I'd automatically lie and say hell no. The way I have to every single doctor, social worker and most therapists in my life.  I don't want anything I can prevent on my permanent record, and I definitely don't want Danger to Self or Others. I've been fighting this my whole life, and I've seen the oppression and hardness that that label can mean to folks in my life who've had it.

But if you normalized it. Because it is normal. This secret. That so many of us wrestle with suicidality. Then maybe, maybe just maybe I'd tell you where it was at.

And maybe we could map the terrain of those ideation places better.

I don't know why Kyle killed himself, and I'm not going to dishonour him by speculating about why he died. I can only talk about how his death, and the regular punctuation of queer and trans and Two Spirit suicides in our 40s in my communities,  makes me think.

As a queer or trans or Two Spirit adult, we live within narratives that say that if you just live to grow up, it gets better (Dan Savage is an asshole caveats aside.)

But: what if it gets better and transforms more than you ever expected, but there are also times where it's still crazy, hurts so bad? Maybe hurts worse because it did get better, it got so much better, and also, the struggle did not stop? You ended up sleeping in the back of your station wagon on a mattress pad. Your book went out of print. Your mama died. You were still crazy after all that cum and all those tears. And no one prepared you for a life narrative where maybe struggle and therapy and herbs and miracles healed the pain, but the pain didn't go all the way away. Maybe, as you survived and succeeded, it just got more complex.

Take me. I know it because I am also one of those community leaders. I am one of those community leaders who is 37 now and still sometimes feels so low. My life did get better. I am not the same tortured, dissasociated girl I was. I look good. I'm happy. I'm not strangled by self hatred in the every day every single second of every day way my 18 year old brain knew. I have had the gay sex and art and travel and books and home and all of it. My brain and my spirit and my life and my relationship to trauma has changed, deeply. And I still have suicidal ideation on the regular.

I've had suicidal ideation (where you have repeating thoughts of "I should just kill myself") since I was at least twelve years old. When I was younger- from when I was about 12 to 21- I had periods of months or years where I had to seriously fight suicidality. When I was twenty two, I got away from my abusive family, left the country, made my small, quiet, safe room, and started healing hardcore from the shit I'd grown up in.

Since the therapy and the small quiet safe room and the poetry and the dancing and the friends and lovers and the herbs and the words, since shit stopped being as nuclear fucked up as my childhood was, I don't really really wanna kill myself anymore. I don't have a plan. I don't actively want to do it. I love my life. I am blessed. I am joyful. I am happy. But at times- at times of deep grief, or deep stress, or sometimes even times that aren't even that fucking deep- sometimes, I sit for hours, my wrists on fire with the desire to cut.

I won the Lambda Literary Award this year, and it was one of the best feelings of my life. And three days later, for no damn reason and every damn reason, I left therapy and felt my mood crashing. I tried to drive to a friend's birthday party, but the directions were complicated and I circled five times before giving up and driving home. I crawled into bed at 3 PM and found myself staring at the pillbox on my dresser, thinking, I've got 5 Ativan and a bottle of good bourbon, is that enough?

And I thought, whoa. And I thought, I am 37 and I just won the Lambda Award. I can't tell people I want to kill myself. On my Facebook status update.

I slept. I texted a lover I'd had the sweetest access intimacy with to ask about Wellbutrin. I called friends. I called my witch naturopath in Toronto, who saw me, on Skype, for $20, and asked me, 'What does the depression feel like?" I told her it felt like a slow soft river, that it was good I had a lot of great things in my life, but even when I was in them right then, I couldn't really feel them. And when things did get bad, the direct line to Ishouldjustkillmyself was well marked out. I talked to my therapist, and I started taking 5 HTP, a serotonin precursor. 

We believe that working for justice and healing, creating art, and being badasses on our own terms will be part of what heals our hurt. And it is.

But our communities also put enormous pressure on the community based queer leaders we look to, and are. The  leadership paradigm that exists within queer and trans social justice communities is still that of the movement/ activist star. As much as we may critique it, we don't quite have another one yet.

(Edited to add: When I say "activist star", I want to be clear what I mean. I don't just mean people who are particularly visible or raised up for their leadership- though I think folks in that position face some unique pressures. I think, however,  pressure to not be open about depression, suicidality and the hard places we go hits almost all of us within queer/trans and other identity based communities. We want to have it all together. We don't think it's going to make us more desired or cool or sexy or beloved if we're honest about this stuff.  And "community leadership" is sometimes so relative and easy to achieve- it can mean running a small bike program or reading at an event or being the contact person for childcare or any number of things. And for those of us who, because of multiple marginalizations and oppressions, find ourselves feeling the brunt of being undesirable within both mainstream and oppressed or oppositional communities, shit can feel like, well, we're already not beloved, so who will give a fuck if we're not here?  (For more info and an amazing analysis about the politics of desirability, and especially how it intersects with transmisogyny,  look at this blog post: http://gudbuytjane.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/dating-from-the-margins-1/)  In my experience, sometimes, but not always, we can move from leader to semi-visible to undesired in quick succession in our communities, and back again. Thank you for the feedback that pushed me to be clearer about what I was talking about.)

We have complicated feelings about leaders. We need role models We want to celebrate folks who are talented organizers and artists. And we also dont know how to practice horizontal leadership. We lift people up and pedestalize them- expect them to be perfect and with all the answers. we tear them down, expect them to be perfect. We murder folks who look like and unlike us when we fuck up, make mistakes, aren't able to be always on call, or just politically disagree.  And that murder, that cut-eye, that exclusion from chosen family or community- it's some of the hardest and most dangerous things we do to each other. Believe me, I understand that people need to end relationships, set boundaries and not see each other for many good reasons. But when we are each others' safety net, some of the casually cruel exclusion we do is life-threatening.

We don't know how to let people be gifted and imperfect. And when we are those people, going from being a nobody to being a movement star, well, it doesn't leave a lot of room for complexity. Or to feel comfortable being honest about wanting to die when so many people are looking to you for a reason to live.

And our communities are still struggling to know how to care for each other well. For real. For the longterm. Without shame when it doesn't get fixed permanently and forever. When the need for care may be lifelong.

When I've wanted to kill myself- when it's hit strong and knocked me to my knees, familliar- there's also this thing. It's felt like, in that moment, I can feel all the ways I really have been without agency in my life. And in that moment of feeling the deep grief and sadness over the impact of oppression, killing myself has felt like one clear way I can have agency. I can have total control. I can't control the WSCCAP. But I can go to the stars.

And it hits fast. With Wendy, with Kyle and with other folks who've killed themselves in my communities, it's not uncommon for folks to say, I just saw them the other day. They were happy. They were fine. And, they might've been. They might've been also  holding a lot of hard shit they didn't know how to talk about. And they might've gone from wonderful to deeply despairing fast- and not had room or words to talk about what it felt like for that transition to happen so quickly. Or felt deeply ashamed of freaking out, yet again.

What does it mean for those of us who made things better, who are shaped in the shape of I will come through for you, who have organized and created curriculum and built programs and won awards and fought and mentored and let folks crash on our couches- what happens when we are, again, the crazy hurting deeply sad inside places? That are so different from the ones maybe so many outsiders know? (And what happens for those of us who are not 'gaymous', and who are also struggling with depression and suicidality?)

When sometimes we ask for help on Facebook and miracles come through, and sometimes we do and our ChipIn falls flat? When we are afraid that we were hurting 6 months ago, and we're hurting now, and what is the tipping point when people start thinking, there they go again, they're always freaking out.

I think about the deep stigma of crazy. The reality that even in radical communities where sometimes we are better about loving people who are "too much" we also know the fear of crazy. the reality of community that is love but also just likes to kick it and be casual. Of the post in the house I looked at that said, we're cool with you having mental or physical health concerns as long as you take care of them on your own and don't bring that shit into the house. I think about how the crazy take care of the crazy and when we're not in crisis ourselves we want a break.

We don't want plattitudes or uplift or people telling us we're loved. I mean tell me. But I know I'm loved. Sometimes hearing that helps. Sometimes I am still deeply, deeply sad.

I don't have the answers, but I am intersted in collectively creating them. I am interested in all of us who dance with dying talking about all the different and real things that suicide can mean to us. All the things that allow us to stay here. And more than that, I am interested in creating models of happy-mostly queer and trans adulthood where we can be leaders and still be vulnerable, where we can be open that it's not happily ever after. Life models that encompass falling apart and reforming not as a failure, but as a life pathway. Ones punctuated with whirlwinds and whirlpools, that Coatlicue/Kali/Oya energy that dismembers. And gifts.

 


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Rosie
12/15/2012 23:06

Thank you for sharing these powerful, important words.

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Kim S Ramsey
12/16/2012 02:29

This has been the most insightful honest approach to feeling suicidal that I have read in a long time. Learning to live with this type of emotional pain and learning to abate its effect on how you manage your life. Balancing those temporary thoughts from transitioning to death is a guilt ridden and challenging task. Being mindful and aware of your feelings even though the feelings are profoundly painful is hard. God bless you for having the courage to broach and discuss this sensitive dialogue. Stay safe xxx

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emily
12/16/2012 03:31

thank you so much for this it means a lot
peace

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Will
12/16/2012 06:07

Beautiful, powerful, relevant

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ID McCollum
12/16/2012 08:00

Leah, thank you so much for putting my feelings into words so eloquently. It's like I sat down with you for an interview. I had tears welling in my eyes as I read this. I too have carried a suicide card with me since my youth. I was 9 years old when I first tried to take my life and even on my best and happiest day I often have that same feeling. I am so thankful for you!

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12/16/2012 08:52

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wendy
12/16/2012 19:43

how do you think shaming is constructive to someone who just opened up like this? shame on YOU.

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12/17/2012 09:15

Compassion is also a choice. Will I hold my heart open to really seeing another's honest and vulnerable pain? Is it selfish if I close my heart to it because I don't have the bandwidth to hold it?

I'd also add that none of us really have a choice about dying... we are all going to, at some point in the journey.

NA4665: a question for you: has it really never hurt so much in your life that you wanted it to stop? And if it has (like it has for most of us) can you find tolerance for those who make this choice? I'd say that ultimately, our bodies are the only thing we really have control over, and it seems fair that if I am hurting, and I want it to stop, I can take my own life.

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12/16/2012 08:56

Thank you so much for your words. This work is transformative. I appreciate your vulnerability. My play little brother took his life last year, and I only formally grieved him a month ago. I miss him. I baby sat him every weekend for two years, and...tears...It is hard to accept that I'll never see him again. Thank you for being open and transparent about your process. ~Renina

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DBT therapist
12/16/2012 09:31

OK NA4665, if saying suicide is a selfish act helps you sleep at night, go ahead and say it. But know that saying "suicide is a selfish act" makes people who are in so much pain they want to die more suicidal. So saying that is an even more selfish act, and a simplistic, non dialectical, thoughtless response to incredible human pain. And it also makes it more likely people won't talk about it and won't get the help they need. The beginning of a compassionate discussion with someone to whom death is starting to look better than life is not "you're selfish". It's a way to turn your back, and not be present with the pain of those people. It protects you, not them.
I am a lesbian DBT therapist, meaning I work with people who want to die all the time, and DBT works, so they get better, and for many of them, they will still have some degree of suicidal ideation for the rest of their lives. And so do I. And I won't do it, because of the impact on my clients and colleages, friends and family, I hope I won't do it, and yet when the times come that I am having constant intrusive suicidal ideation all day long, I make long term plans to kill myself. And I still hope I won't do it.
Brownstargirl, I don't know you at all, and I am very grateful to you for being willing to talk about your own dark times. My life is meaningful, and not happy, and it will probably never be happy, and I'm really counting on the meaning getting me through. I hope it helps you get through the dark times. Suicide is very painful for those left behind, and it is also true that it increases the risk of suicide to others left behind. And it is not a selfish act, it is an act of desperation. If in your mental health journey you haven't tried Dialectical Behavior Therapy, it may help reduce your emotional pain. I know it's available in Toronto. DBT helps me, and Acceptance and Committment Therapy (reading about it) helps me as well. Take good care of your sweet self.

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CH
12/16/2012 09:36

For me, the grip of suicidality, has usually been about wanting control over physical disability -- when I feel like I won't get better and can't stand being at the mercy of the medical industrial complex or being a burden to my friends and loved ones. The loop of physical illness and mounting anxiety is exhausting. The one thing I need when I'm not safe is company. One person rocking in the chair beside my bed, like the mother I never had. Thanks for letting me say that here in response to your beautiful & brave writing.

My only twitch while reading it is that I'm no queer star. I can imagine you and our other luminaries face increased pressures, scrutiny, competition, and stress. Being pedistalized must be excruciating in very particular ways. But it was a bit ouch-y to be merely parenthetical to this post, when it hits so deep.

And this: "Maybe, as you survived and succeeded, it just got more complex." Yes.

Wishing you peace.

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romham
12/16/2012 18:10

CH, thank you for laying that out so clearly and kindly re: the ouch.
i felt it too, but was unsure how to say it.

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Leah
12/16/2012 20:28

Hey, thank you for this- and especially for naming the twitch. I went back and edited and added in a new paragraph. When I started writing this article, it was fresh after Kyle died, and I was thinking specifically about trying to think through some of the things that occur when folks who get lifted up as "community leaders" - but who are still just regular folks - are struggling with wanting to die and feeling like we can't be honest about those feelings. And I guess how I was thinking about it, was that in my experiences of queer/trans/Two Spirit communities I've been a part of, almost everyone I know is seen as some kind of "leader"- some more than others. Mostly because the communities are so small. I wasn't quite sure how to put how I was thinking about it in words, especially as I think non-verbally much of the time, so moving from the way thought is before word language into word language takes a minue. I wanted to talk about what I see happening to folks who are cast as some kind of leader, because I think it's a specific hard place that bears discussing and taking apart. But as I sat with this piece more and it developed, I wanted to talk also about how suicidality plays out differently when it comes to folks seen as "leaders" and folks who are not seen or valued as "leaders" in communities- and folks in between, and folks who get swapped out between those roles at the whim of the community. There's a new parargraph up there that talk about that a bit, but I'm gonna keep adding and writing more and thinking. Thank you for your words and being willing to share them.

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CH
12/18/2012 08:04

Thanks Leah, for your ongoing leadership and your process.

12/16/2012 10:14

Thanks for sharing these thoughts and experiences. It takes strength to be this open. Thanks for also describing so well, the contradictions about 'how everything can be so well and happy' when at the same time despair is there. Best wishes on your journey.

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12/16/2012 10:26

thank you.

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Loree
12/16/2012 10:33

I am the widow of a suicide, and have dealt with suicidality for most of my 55 years. I (and my former life-partner) are/were both visible queer leaders, and ... almost 13 years later, I don't know what to say. It's hard. This is a very brave, very necessary post. We need to figure out how to recognize that being human is tremendously hard and we need more strategies for coping, whether we're recognized leaders or not.

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Jac
12/16/2012 11:00

Thanks so much for this. I relate to a lot of it, especially the thing you mentioned about feeling like, oh, I was just having a hard time 6 months ago, and not wanting to be that person who's "always a mess". More on that, there are a good handful of people who I love and who love me, who know about my depression and history of suicidal ideation, who have told me they always want me to call them no matter what if I'm feeling like I might kill myself. And I would call any of them in those moments, and have promised them I would. But what's more complicated for me is those moments that fall short of that threshold, while still being dire. The moments when I know I'm almost definitely not going to kill myself but I can't stop thinking about it, or I've gone further along in the thought process about it than I'm comfortable with and I've scared myself. Because if I called any of my people in those moments, that phone call would be a lot more frequent than people think when I make the promise to them that I'd call. To me "that call" is something I do once. Something that I know is there if I'm truly on the brink. But I don't want to call all those other times because that's not a one time thing, that's a regular thing that I believe would seriously alter the dynamics of my relationships in ways I'm unwilling to do. Having someone in your life who calls you like that regularly, you may love them with all your heart, but it IS a burden, and that person is someone you don't want to upset or hurt, someone you're worried about, think is fragile, don't want to talk to about your own issues with because you don't want to burden them or make anything harder for them. That's not a power dynamic I want in my relationships because that's not true friendship to me. So I'm left struggling alone all those other times, and I'm not sure what the answer to that is.

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greta
12/16/2012 11:28

Thank you for taking a risk to be vulnerable and share this. I know I am better for having read this today.

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Verena
12/16/2012 12:40

thank you for sharing. this really made me think. and i never thought about the topic before. I really have not been aware so far. and I am a teacher. and I am European. You're changing things in a good way. not only in your community. also elsewhere. you did an important job by publishing this. thank you.

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Chris
12/16/2012 15:30

This made me feel less alone or broken. I didn't know there were other people who thought a little bit about suicide almost every day while staying mostly functional outside of those feelings. I have always assumed that this part of myself is something I shouldn't talk about because people will get tired of it or tell me to just do it if I'm going to do it, already.

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romham
12/16/2012 18:11

Thank you for this, Leah. <3

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W
12/16/2012 20:05

Good article but I would have been so much more down with this if

"We murder folks who look like and unlike us when we fuck up, make mistakes, aren't able to be always on call, or just politically disagree. And that murder, that cut-eye, that exclusion from chosen family or community- it's some of the hardest and most dangerous things we do to each other."

hadn't come a few paragraphs after "Dan Savage is an asshole caveats aside."

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em-tee
12/16/2012 20:12

hi leah. thanks for writing about suicide and about your own suicidal ideation. thanks for talking about this, and making a space for this to be out in the open.

i used to think that once i took care of my past, everything would be okay. that once i swam across that gross murky river of incest, date rape, racist bullying and bruises, the close calls to being deported right back into incest, the abandonment, the moving around never settling, the doctors and meds and strip searches for my own good...once i got past all of that, i thought i'd be sitting on a sunny, sandy beach, and the scars that i had inflicted on my body would have disappeared, i would be confident enough to show some of my bare skin.

the fact is, there is no beach on the other side, no place that's always sunny. even when i find "breaks" from sadness, there is still that sadness of a past that i cannot change and the sadness of knowing that i cannot protect my little girl self because my older self cannot stop yet another assault on my body.

i have only discouraging thoughts about the collective action we can take to respond to suicide. i fear that some of us will expect something during a really critical moment, but others will not follow through on it. that just makes things so much harder.

right now that i am not actively planning my exit strategy, but i feel those thoughts so intensely still. i know i cannot rely on other people because at those critical moments, my friends collectively abandoned me, thinking someone else would stay.

what i've learned (and this applies to me, and is not a solution or answer by any means) is that not attempting suicide requires patience. the patience to wait just another minute, hour, day longer. patience to sit with those painful memories and thoughts a little longer. if i can distract myself, i try my fucking hardest. i would really love someone to wait with me and not get frustrated, but it's hard to find those people.

so i am really just trying to wait it out a little bit longer. i don't know how to stop feeling this way. i still don't know how to ask for help when i'm feeling so vulnerable. asking for help means being okay with the possibilities that people will not want to help at all or they might say or do something hurtful (like, tell you that you're being stupid or call the cops on you). i'm not okay with that, so i just don't ask anymore.

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Activista
12/16/2012 20:47

Thank you for writing this. This section in particular: "We don't know how to let people be gifted and imperfect. And when we are those people, going from being a nobody to being a movement star, well, it doesn't leave a lot of room for complexity. Or to feel comfortable being honest about wanting to die when so many people are looking to you for a reason to live," really spoke to me because I was thrust into the spotlight and I felt like I had to hide my mental illness. Also I relate very well to the story you told about having sudden depression right after a big success. There is a lot of pressure on visible leaders in the community to be without fault. Thank you for writing this and starting this conversation.

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Leah Piepzna-Samarasinha
12/16/2012 20:31

Hey all. Thank you for your words. I knew that when I posted this article there'd be a big and maybe overwhelming response. This response doesn't feel overwhelming, but it does feel like a lot - definitely more than I'm used to having to moderate on this very low traffic blog. I just wanted to say I appreciate folks being willing to share, and I'm trying to figure out how to respond to comments, and what my capacity is. I just wanted to say in the short term, thank you for being willing to risk being honest about some very vulnerable and real things. It makes sharing about these feelings much easier- and hopefully, being able to have real talks about what we;re swimming with and what we can do about it, a little more easier too.

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Julia Bennett
12/16/2012 21:48

Leah,
Bone of my bone, heart of my heart, soul of my soul, I hear you! I trust with my core that as my crone years continue that those with your hope transform the deep internal struggle of the queer community and that liberation dominates our spirits.

In struggle and love,
Julia

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JFC
12/16/2012 23:30

I have struggled with these exact feelings for a long time. I've been doing this work since 1998 and in 2005 I fell back into the sex trade and I disappeared from the advocacy work. In 2008 I left the biz for good and continued to struggle with these feelings of despair. In 2010 I spoke to Wendy the day of... when I got off work she didn't pick up and it threw me into a tailspin... These words you wrote were so important and so needed... thank you for putting words to a struggle I have fought so long to hide for the sake of the "greater good"... I needed to read this and to hear it. Thank you from the bottom of my tortured loving heart!

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laura
12/17/2012 01:41

beautiful. thank you so much for being you and being so courageous to post something so personal.

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12/17/2012 03:50

You know, when I first saw this referred to me on Facebook, before I even read it, I wanted to run up and virtually hug you, say thank you and then encourage you, quickly, to maybe take down the comments portion. I see someone has already done what I've feared, "suicidal is a selfish choice" and all that pap. As someone with nearly constant suicidal ideation, even I feel like that, too, because I'm also a survivor. Several friends and an Uncle when I was eleven years old. A really cool Uncle.

I want to thank you so much for the courage and power it took to put this on paper. If you get to the point where you can create this collective conversation, I'm in. If you can't see your way clear right now, I'm in....let's talk about this. I would open my soul if it could help someone. Yeah, I have a story, we all do, and I'm not belittling anyone else's, it's just that we know who we are. (I'm certainly tired of hearing mine; hearing someone else's especially told so eloquently, actually helps). And that's my point. I cried reading this, and felt hopeful, too. I don't feel so alone now. Sitting awake in the middle of the night wondering and fighting insomnia, depression, mild mania and all those other things, I'm going to keep this posting and re-read it--and the comments more closely :)

You can't really explain to anyone who has never been here what this is about. But we know who we are. And what we need is support. So, yes, NA### you may have your opinion, but please keep it to yourself. We are trying to create something here where this doesn't happen as much. I think I can surmise the following: we've all done therapy. We've all done meds, different kinds. We have supportive folks, we've learned how to find them. We have networks....we know this stuff. We study it. Some of us work in the profession (I don't but I can certainly attest to it). And *still* there is the black dog hanging around. But it's still there.

And it's not about being more important, it's actually about just facing the struggle again and again and again. The little knives cut more than big blades. And those of you who don't know, will never see them.

I'm so moved by this. I need to go outside and breathe. If you need technical assistance, building something, you want to start talking to people, or building anything, please contact me. I'll do it. It's time. I get this. THIS ONE I get.

Peace and love.

I want to thank you so much for the courage and power it took to put this on paper. If you get to the point where you can create this collective conversation, I'm in. If you can't see your way clear right now, I'm in....let's talk about this. I would open my soul if it could help someone. Yeah, I have story, we all do, and I'm not belittling anyone else's, it's just that we know who we are. (I'm certainly tired of hearing mine; hearing someone else's especially told so eloquently, actually helps). And that's my point. I cried reading this, and felt hopeful, too. I don't feel so alone now. Sitting awake in the middle of the night wondering and fighting insomnia, depression, mild mania and all those other things, I'm going to keep this posting and re-read it--and the comments more closely :)

You can't really explain to anyone what this is about. But we know who we are. And what we need is support. So, yes, NA### you may have your opinion, but please keep it to yourself. We are trying to create something here where this doesn't happen as much.

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M
12/17/2012 05:31

Thank you for this.

I have been using Kate Bornstein's book "Hello Cruel World" as a way to start talking to my chosen family about how I have been struggling with this since I was a kid. It's an imperfect book, but I still love it deeply because it sort of normalizes what it means to think about suicide, and because I have, all my life, been making lists of survival techniques. I'm trying to make it feel normal to talk about this.

I still have yet to actually reach out to anyone when I am experiencing a crisis, but I'm working on it. That stigma can be such a barrier to actually making use of friends, community, for a survival strategy.

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12/17/2012 09:09

Wow. Thank you so much for writing this. I have lived with suicidal ideation for years, pretty much constantly from age 13 to now (i'm 47). I have sometimes given in to these feelings (3 serious suicide attempts), but mostly it stays as a horrible yearning. I have a great therapist, done intensive trauma work, write it out and make art, go to the ER when necessary and ask to be admitted to the hospital so at least I'm somewhere "safe" (under any other circumstances I would not describe the psych ward as safe... it's so devastating to be there). Still, I carry on.

Like one of the other comments, DBT has helped me with what they call "distress tolerance" -- sitting with overwhelming sadness and grief and not harming myself.

I don't think these feelings will ever leave me, but I am learning how to ask for help when I slip over that line from ideation to seriously planning an attempt. When I was younger I never asked for help, because I didn't think anyone would believe me when I said how much I was hurting inside. This isn't true anymore. My therapist believes me, my psych too. And even the ER takes me seriously. I don't ask my friends to take on the work of getting me through a crisis, but they are there for me -- with a safe place to crash, a meal, to take me out for a walk, or to take me to the ER and sit with me as I wait to be seen.

I have a page on my blog of videos/articles etc. that I look at when I need comforting. I hope it's ok to post here: http://onebraveduck.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page_4972.html

Thank you again for sharing such an intimate part of yourself.

C.

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12/17/2012 09:11

Leah,
This is good good stuff...I appreciate deeply the heartspace that it took to write this and put it out in the world. Forwarding to my activist communities. Please keep this conversation going!

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sad boy
12/17/2012 09:55

Try as I might, it just isn't getting better for me

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Kathleen
12/17/2012 10:31

sad boy, just do nothing and wait. Sometimes it's best to just stay down and wait it out. Don't rush it, find a way to wait for the tide to change slowly, the way it came in. That's all I know.

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Rachel
12/17/2012 10:09

Thank you for your very heartfelt and honest writing on this issue which too few people talk about. I remember sitting across from my therapist when I was about 17, challenging him to help me get rid of dissociation and numbness, and him saying "Maybe you will always feel a bit numb. What if this is always a part of you." I hated him for it then because I wanted a perfect cure, but now I am so grateful for that honesty. That even though I'm one of the most 'healthy' people I know 10 years later, the way I automatically react to threat is still often numbness, and now I am familiar with it and I can see it as a piece of me. Normalizing is such a powerful thing. At 17, I didn't believe that my life could be worth living if I ever felt numb. This is one of the narratives that needs to change - that people are only worth looking up to if they have it all figured out.

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Myrgyn
12/17/2012 11:15

I am not a communty leader in our community, I do however work for a charity, the home of all things poverty related, the not too gentle thud you hear as another person falls through the social safety net, and this includes a portion of just about every community.

Like so many before me I would like to thank you. As years pass my ideation grows, particularly in this season. Thank you for putting into words what our community and other helper communities strugle with.

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G
12/17/2012 13:28

Thank you for this. I have read this a few times, and am mulling over your words, still. But am deeply moved. I do not deal with suicidal ideation myself, or at least not in any serious way, but every single one of my partners has, to various degrees, and many of my friends. I often have floundered with how to help. And will be haunted, for the rest of my life, by the anguish of some of my beloveds, and the things they did to themselves, as a solution to despair. Because they couldn't find a way out. Reading your post - it feels, possibly, like a thread - a way out.

I've been thinking about this line: "And when things did get bad, the direct line to Ishouldjustkillmyself was well marked out."

It makes sense that even for those of us who do get to grow up, and get access to happiness, home, and love - that the hard stuff might always cycle back, or at least pulse beneath the surface. And that survival, itself, is extremely complicated - and long, ongoing. And that sometimes the brightness of the good stuff can be extra scary, almost, because the darkness feels all the more threatening, after?

This is all stuff I know/believe... and yet I've still felt completely unprepared, at times, by how trauma plays out in queer lives. And really powerless and sad to see people I love fighting for their lives, over and over. And it's hard to talk about, and complicated, especially with not wanting to pathologize certain behaviors or thinking. So I am very grateful for the insight you provide, the possible clarity into the minds and hearts of my lovers and friends who struggle with suicidal ideation. I want to understand better, and I think this helps.


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kai
12/17/2012 17:16

i don't usually post in response to blog posts... but i wanted to say thank you for this. i've noticed this dynamic of putting people on pedestals and then tearing them down, wondering if it is just me or whether it really happens more often in the queer scene. i find it disturbing too, because as you say, being ostracized or marked as "crazy" by a community that is the only one you have is terrifying, and can lead, i think, to silence on many issues, not just suicidal ideation... but self-doubt in general, vulnerability. we have lots of dialogue around empowerment, which is great and necessary but can increase the pressure to be (or seem) always strong. i wish that we could come to the point where being honest about feeling weak, sad, despaired, grieving, was also seen as strong and valued as such...

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T
12/17/2012 18:45

Just wanted to say thanks for writing this, I think it has the ability to speak to anyone even if they aren't a leader in any capacity and I think its definitely 100% relevant for queer community.

This bit and onward:

"When we are afraid that we were hurting 6 months ago, and we're hurting now, and what is the tipping point when people start thinking, there they go again, they're always freaking out.

I think about the deep stigma of crazy. The reality that even in radical communities where sometimes we are better about loving people who are "too much" we also know the fear of crazy."

Its one of those things that you worry about when you're in that head space. Like people don't have to even say it and maybe they don't want to say it or they don't even feel that way necessarily, but even so you just feel like people will be thinking that anyway and it fucks with you regardless. I think its important for us to discuss the whole "how crazy is too crazy" thoughts or "always freaking out" stigma.

And to the person who called suicide "selfish"...do we really need that kind of bullshit shaming in a discussion like this?

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Leah
12/18/2012 10:41

Yeah- I'm actually going to go ahead and delete that comment (about suicide being selfish.) I debated about it, because someone replied to it and I believe it can be good practice to keep speech up that people disagree with so that the history of the dialogue is captured. But it's been something a bunch of folks who are sharing really vulnerable stuff have noted being pretty hurt by, so I'm going to take it down.

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alex b.
12/18/2012 14:32

hi leah.
thank you so much for your piece. so important! i am crying on my heating vent!
it speaks to me particularly around the subject of self-care WHILE caring with others. "the crazy taking care of the crazy." as someone who grew up with an alcoholic suicidal parent and experienced parental loss, i often go to that nagging ideation space (of ME not being enough, or good enough of a caretaker to my community and just wanting to disappear or self-harm) when a lover or friend or a housemate shares their needs and pain with me. i also tend to crash when i see people i love in pain. i find my own triggers prevent me from being present for my peers. i live in a house full of chosen family--all of us going through our own shit. it can be so hard to hold our own shit while holding each other. what you wrote, i think, is a step.

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Ellen
12/20/2012 17:17

Thank you for sharing how you feel. As a mother, I always worry that each traumatic event in my trans son's life will tip the balance that is so hard to maintain for anyone alive today (myself included), let alone someone who is subject to misunderstanding and persecution for being different and admitting it. Hold your community close, and please know that there is much love in this crazy world, and that all you do brings love to those around you.

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I
12/20/2012 20:08

Thank you so very much for this article. I deeply appreciate your honesty and bravery.

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LT
12/24/2012 12:01

Thank you for this beautiful post, Leah. I related to it in two ways. Firstly, being held up as an activist leader in the queer community and then almost ritualistically ripped down for holding the same politics. It's offering and then withdrawing affirmation that feels like a huge betrayal. It's 'don't worry, you're OK, we understand you' and then it's 'oh, actually, you are crazy and horrible and wrong.'

My other response: as someone who is constantly waiting for my depression to end, for a time when it will be all right, I am moved by this discussion. The fear that we can't call on friends because we know we will need to call on them again. That people will finally give up and leave us because this doesn't have a time limit; it's not going to end.

I think a discussion group of people with similar experiences may provide some peer support for these feelings, when we are so afraid of being too much for our other, healthier, loved ones.

Also, I agree with Chris. This article's sharing and naming of these experiences of depression made me feel less alone and less crazy.

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C
12/24/2012 13:02

I can't thank you enough for writing this.
All I ever hear from other queers is "don't do it don't do it" but at the same time partners have left me for being "crazy" and shamed me for having "danger to self or others" on the record.
I needed this.

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12/25/2012 18:41

It is me that must accept myself as both a leader / exceptional person AND someone who becomes at times socially phobic, reclusive, so insecure that it hurts to breathe, and has spent much of my life with suicidal ideation, in complete and alienating secrecy and shame.

Thank you so much for speaking this reality; I don't find many others who relate. Those who relate to the psych ward part of me are totally intimidated by the leadership award part, and those who relate to the leadership award part, well, that just goes without saying. And so, I have felt the emptiness of being alone in the middle. Either way, I have ended up feeling like a fraud.

Healing for me is figuring out how to be both, and be transparent about it, stop feeling ashamed about it. Expose the dialectical reality I am in, and use it. I feel that I have to be a bit of a teacher in this way, to myself and to others. Understand, and help others to understand, that the Gift comes with the Underbelly. I am gifted in the intuitive and creative realms, and that means that I am also disabled at times -- the person you avoid on the street as a 'questionable' character. Just by being, I challenge the ideas of both 'questionable' and 'leader'.

This is my practice of radical acceptance. I must make space in myself for both aspects -- not feel ashamed of either, because the shame is really what kills -- and that is the way to make space in the world for the deep, whole and dialectical truth that we all seek.

I love the idea of normalizing the dialectical truth in all of us, so there is no more hiding, no more pressure, no more shame.

I'm no different than anyone else, just a little more extreme and honest about it, because I cannot live otherwise.

I have a haleluja choir in me, to see this conversation opened. The breaking free of black and white, the making space for complexity. The conversation about 'when the need for care may be life long.' The humility of admitting this is all of us.

The more people who understand and embrace the reality of ideation, the more we can all see each other through in the waiting time. I find that if those few are around, I don't actually need to talk about it as much, or spend my time with them any differently. Just that they know that I know that they know, is often enough.

The more people who speak, the better. Accepting that it may be ongoing, and not feeling ashamed of it, is helping me to see myself through.

Again, thank you.

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Ashley
12/29/2012 20:10

Thank you for this invitation to go deeper. We cannot wait any longer to have these bigger conversations. Beautifully written. Thank you for sharing.

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12/31/2012 16:06

Thanks so much. You express my own personal struggle with suicidal ideation so incredibly accurately as well. It makes it easier for me to convey this stuff by being able to share this post. You are a blessing and you are blessed. --Leo

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Tonya
01/04/2013 15:58

This IS an incredible read. I haven't been suicidal in a long time, but sometimes I think think about how easy it would be to just give up and stop fighting. It's not that I want to die or stop living. It's just that the sadness can be so debilitating. And so hard to explain to someone on the outside. From the outside, I have no reason to be sad. It doesn't change the fact that I am.

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EK
02/20/2013 13:04

You are courageous. Thank you.

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Me
05/16/2013 12:53

I am not gay and I am not a leader. But this doesn't matter. I came across this post because I googled "living for the sake of a loved one." I have felt, due to mental illness and the beliefs that have stemmed from said illness, suicidal on a monthly basis, for the past 20 years. I have had a handful of people tell me that I must be so strong to have endured for so long. The truth is... or at least today's truth is, I am as weak as I can be; I have been chipped away so much, that all that is left standing, of me, is living for the sole purpose of not hurting my mother, if I were to take my life. Hence, the google search. You touched on a very important idea, that when someone feels so badly, so often, they tend not to reach out, despite that being what we are advised to do, because, frankly, most people couldn't handle the frequency. If I called on a friend or a family member every time I felt like taking that one last permanent trip, then it would begin to feel and sound like I was crying wolf. All I can say is, thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings here. Tonight, I will write, as a means to purge the latest batch of anxiety and pain, and for that, I can thank you. I also want to thank you for pointing out how we treat one another and how we need to hold one another. I would, however, refrain from using the word crazy, because it can work against the cure for suicidal ideation, which is feeling able to share, and to be able to be received with kindness once we do. I hope you are not feeling the pressure of being a star or a leader and that you are able to do what eludes me on a daily basis: live because you deserve to live a happy life...just because...

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